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September 06, 2008

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Arch Van Devender

Michael
Thanks for a thoughtful comment. The idea of "not trying to legislate morality" is problematic at best. All legislation and all government regulations fall under one of two headings: "prudence" or "morality." The law dictating that we drive on the right side of the road is a matter of prudence (there is no inherent moral nature to it). The law dictating that we are not to embezzle money from our employer is a matter of morality. The idea of an essentially morally neutral "social contract" forming the foundation for human society is inherently flawed in this regard. Thus "legislating morality" is what government does (at least in part) which means that there will always be someone having someone else' morality shoved down their throat.

Nor can a person plead that the morality which is encoded into law must not be based on religious precepts because there are no religiously neutral moral precepts - by definition. The only manner in which a moral precept could be understood as neutral is if the position is taken that morality is divorced from religion which is only possible by denying the entire idea of God - that is a religious (anti-religious) statement.

So... it is not a matter of not shoving religion down anyone's throat - it is a matter of which religious view governs the morality behind the laws which are then shoved down a person's throat.

If you wish to interact on this at greater length simply let me know and we can trade posts back and forth.

Thanks again

michael

what mrs. Palin believes or doesn't believe is really none of our business as long as she doesn't try to legislate morality. This nation may have been founded by christians but it has evolved as have the beliefs and actions of christians and so called Christians. If you believe in god you must see that god is an infinitely tolerant being given the overwhelming evidence of the earth's multitude of diverse beings and beliefs. It is the humans that are intolerant of each other's differences not the god that they profess to be speaking for. I thought the basic tenet of Christianity was to live your life like Christ and make decisions based on what you believe he would have done in the same circumstance. I am not a christian scholar or an historian but my opinion is that Jesus always did the right thing and did not judge or fault people for their beliefs or actions. He may have dissapproved and counseled them to try to make them better but he never forced them to do anything they did not want to do. My fear regarding mrs. Palin is that she is like so many other people who call themselves Christians but do not live up to the standards while at the same time want to force others to practice what they preach.

Arch Van Devender

It's pretty hard to find a Christian who is not also a sinner. That whole business Jesus taught about removing the plank from our own eye before we complain about the speck in our brother's or sister's eye is to the point. As far as I know Sarah has not lied about her past life nor about the circumstances of her daughter, unlike a former president.

As far as the value of human life goes - that's a much larger discussion - especially since you contrast/compare her stance on abortion with her support of the war and willingness to hunt animals. Common sense recognizes a vast difference between the two sides - abortion and the other two issues - and so does Christianity.

Rain

As a christian mother, whp has raised several children who did "not" find themselves pregnant at 17, nor did I eleope and get married when I was pregnant...instead I waited as the bible teaches.

What good is the bible if the person representing Christians is interpreting it in her own imoral fashion??

Pro-life, than are the boys fighting in Iraq, have the same dignity of life?? What about the animals she hunts?

Arch Van Devender

I think you are correct in this. However, ever since Truman found himself suddenly pushed into the oval office with virtually no background in what had been going on, the VP position has been systematically elevated to the kind of relationship you see happening. McCain, by his very nature as a coalition builder, will probably make it even more prominent for Mrs. Palin - however he will not be breaking new ground just doing the same thing more extensively.

Thanks for the comment.

karenabcde

P.S.
This pick will forever change the nature of the Vice-presidency.
After this administration the VP will never be the same.

karenabcde

I would bet my house that McCain will have her as almost a co-president. He appears thrilled to pieces to have someone who will support him. He will want to make decisions with her input and he will be looking forward to leaving us his legacy upon his departure. The legacy may not be in much that he achieves, but that he brought her into the fold so she can take over and be our president at some point. He realizes this now. It makes him look brilliant.

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