BeepBeepItsMe wrote: The reality is that there is no proof that jesus either existed as a
man or as a god-man. And the supposed evidence for either, is shakey at
best.
Dear Beep:
The reality is that you cannot account for the documentation of Jesus' life dating back to within 100 years of his death without resorting to the implausible notion of a massive conspiracy which fooled thousands of people who then perpetuated the lie.
To say that there is no "proof" is to argue that there is no evidence
that makes it reasonable to believe that he did live and did do the
things that are said of him. To say that it is dishonest to believe
the records we have of Jesus' life (as you have said), then you must
prove why it is unreasonable for a person to believe that Jesus existed
and after that prove why it is unreasonable to accept the documents we
have as accurately reflecting his life.
The question is not whether we have incontrovertible "proof" but whether or not the evidence provides sufficient warrant such that a person may reasonably believe in his historical life and actions, whether they accept the faith claims required of his life and actions or not.
Regarding your heavy dependence upon a conspiracy theory, you have provided no proof or evidence that such a conspiracy existed other than to quote a statement about "pious fraud" which may or may not have any real deceitful actions associated with it. Christians have never denied that in the history of Christianity that many egregious things have been done or said by Christians. For one person to say that "pious frauds" were committed is not to say that those "pious frauds" were committed in the process of the NT scriptural tradition. A quick survey of the phrase "pious frauds" used in ancient writings indicates that it was spoken of negatively, as being the domain of heretics, and the standard for gauging when such a "pious fraud" was present was by comparing it to the Scriptures. ( as for instance, one example, Vincent of Lerins, "Commontory"). To state that such "frauds" were prevalent may be true only to the extent that it reflected a situation the church was trying to correct.
Recent Comments